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and actually to get from where we are, given the spending cuts and tax increases that we've implemented so far, to where we need to be to stabilize the debt, is not that heavy a lift if we had a functional politics that was actually paying attention to what needs to be done instead of creating these ridiculous self-inflicted skirmishes and wounds. as you have correctly pointed out, you have even got conservatives spokespeople saying, look, this isn't going to happen, you're not going to do this. we're going to have one of these last minute solutions again. if that is truly the case and if history is precedent, it will be, we really have to ask ourselves about our priorities. >> and yet, david, the problem is the fitch ratings agency has already threatened a ratings downgrade. and it even has a retort who think debt ceiling hostage taking can be a weapon against spending calling it an infective and potentially dangerous mechanism for enforcing fiscal discipline. so what is this obsession they have of falling on their sword and taking the country with them. >> there you go again, martin, stickin
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